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Comment by Catherine Matsalla on December 20, 2014 at 8:03pm

Hey - thanks for the feedback!! I really appreciate it! I am looking for your opinion. I really think highly of your knowledge and expertise. I am constantly obsessing over form and wonder what i did wrong because my running was going so well. I have been working on strength but will be more diligent. Thanks again!!

Comment by Eric Orton on December 20, 2014 at 7:39pm
One more thought Catherine. Since you only experienced pain on the road, you might be having tracking issues at the knee. This may be due to the consistent terrain of the road versus varied terrain on trails. To check this try rolling your quad and IT band and then lightly stretch the quad. This might relieve the pain and relieve the poor tracking that is causing the pain.
Comment by Eric Orton on December 20, 2014 at 6:57pm
Hi Catherine, I know you are not looking for my opinion, but for what it is worth I am helping a running with post meniscus surgery right now. She is planning to be ready for a 3 day stage race in Feb. Our focus right now a month after surgery is to focus on strength and stability of the supporting muscles and zone 2 efforts only with a good focus on short stride as to not expose the knee to over extension/stride. So again, maybe this is helpful in some way and krep us posted.
Comment by Catherine Matsalla on December 20, 2014 at 6:34pm

Help! I had meniscus surgery for a sandwich tear. It went well and I was able to run trails and hills for an hour no pain on Asiacs Cascadias. Then I decided to head out on the pavement for 75 mins and was in such supreme pain10/10 afterwards but little swelling. Was on New Balance Pure Flow.  Day 3 now and I still have specific pain only 4/10 now with certain moves. Have been cycling a bit. Looking at the Hoka Huaka shoes with only 2mm drop as I really think that for my knee - I think I need the extra cushioning for when I have to train on pavement or track. Although I won't be doing anything for a couple of weeks.  I don't see anything in the video above. Not sure what I am looking for. Read The Cool Impossible. Know Eric's opinion but I need a solution. Any opinions???

Comment by Jay Mijares on July 16, 2014 at 7:11pm

I haven't run further than marathon distance, but my current long distance trail shoe is the Altra Lone Peak 1.5.  It works out okay, though my foot slips around during the downhills.  I've used the B2R Trail Shoe for shorter distances and it works great!  I'll have to do more foot strengthening exercises before I'm ready to use my B2R Trail shoes for longer distances.  Eric is the B2R endurance/mountain shoe still in the design phase?  Or have you gotten to the prototype stage yet?  Can't wait to see that one!

Comment by Lori Enlow on July 14, 2014 at 1:30pm
I have had the opportunity to try the inoov8 trail roc 236 and the New Balance Zero v2 Minimus Trail. I like them both very much. The new balance have a little more cushion
Comment by Gniewomir Skrzysinski on July 14, 2014 at 6:32am

As I've mentioned earlier, would be great to have B2R endurance/mountain shoes, but my guess is that it is not going to happend in a one week ;) So which shoes (brand/model) would you recommend for this purporse?

Comment by Jay Mijares on July 12, 2014 at 6:58pm

Great discussion!  I did an endurance run in shoes as thick as the Hokas and have found that the reduced proprioception is really dangerous, even on non-technical trails.  And the thick shoes also make a minor leg length discrepancy due to alignment of my hips much worse!  Yeah, if a fast finish time during a 100 miler is what you want, these might do the trick, but just like Gniewomir said, in the long run the effect could be worse.  Think of the damage to the joints and muscles and bone.  I'd rather finish a before the cutoff and be able to run more races than rather than risk future injuries just to have a winning finishing time.

Comment by Lori Enlow on July 12, 2014 at 11:48am
Great discussion going on! I think you just nailed it Gniewomir!
Comment by Gniewomir Skrzysinski on July 12, 2014 at 10:37am

Thank you Coach for the replay. Yes, that's what I am affraid of too. People rarely look ahead, just want to have the results 'here and now'.

I am looking forward for those B2R long run shoes :)

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